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Permalink Reply by badboy on January 30, 2010 at 10:45am

Everyday Paranormal does try and keep It real. But sadly most people dpn't want real. They want to see ghosts walking though walls and throwing things around. That makes for good ratings but takes away from the real factor.
EVPs are the one thing that we don't agree on a lot. Unless I get an energy spike at the same exact time as the EVP then I don pay a lot of attention to It. You can slow down or speed up a tape and make it say about anything you want it to say. The energy spike I think Is the key.
On the show we try a lot of new things. Its more like a learning show. We are always trying new things to see If they work or not.Entertaining or not we do try and keep It real.

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Permalink Reply by SpiderMeema on January 30, 2010 at 10:52am

badboy said:

Everyday Paranormal does try and keep It real. But sadly most people dpn't want real. They want to see ghosts walking though walls and throwing things around. That makes for good ratings but takes away from the real factor.
EVPs are the one thing that we don't agree on a lot. Unless I get an energy spike at the same exact time as the EVP then I don pay a lot of attention to It. You can slow down or speed up a tape and make it say about anything you want it to say. The energy spike I think Is the key.
On the show we try a lot of new things. Its more like a learning show. We are always trying new things to see If they work or not.Entertaining or not we do try and keep It real.

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Permalink Reply by SpiderMeema on January 30, 2010 at 1:18pm

Hey Badboy~~I just read your take on EVP's, with an energy spike in your opinion validates a true EVP. Well........here I go!! I have been doing EVP work for quite a long time now, and never have I had to speed up up or slow down a recording in order to get an"EVP". I use no software or editing processes to get results, ever. I will start out by telling you kind of a funny story on how I got started doing EVP work. I am called a SLIder,(Street Light Interference), basically when ever I would pass stret lights, they would 'blow out'. At first I thought it had something to do with my car, but I decided to try just walking by the stret lights, and it still happened. I was in my early 20's when this started to happen, and my then 8 year old son would ask "Mommy, can we go and make the lights go out?" So we would get into the car and drive around and 'take out' the street lights in various places. We also took walks at night in our neighborhood, and the same thing would happen. It was great fun for him to watch this happen. It got to the point that I was able to do it on command by concentrating on it. I found that if I was especially hyped up (happy, sad, nervous) I got better results. I asked family and co-workers if this had ever happened to any of them......... and they looked at me like I was crazy, so I learned not to talk about it to them.

One winter day I googled 'street lights blowing out' and found it actually had a name, hence Street Light Interference", and persons that had this happen are called SLIders. And another incident had happened to me at my childhood home, one day my brother decided to record an episode of the Rikki Lake show with an analog tape recorder. He started to record the show, setting it down on a table in the living room. He pressed record and just let it run. I was there, and after awhile ihad to leave, and he went outside to do some yard work, basically we both forgot the tape recorder was left to run. Later on, I get this frantic call from him, telling me that I needed to listen to what was recorded, he was so upset! So I went back and got it and listened to it, and what was heard was this gruff, older sounding man saying "Why are you hunting me??" It was so CLEAR. He told me to take the recording and get it out of his house, he was that disturbed by it. So I tookit home and replayed it over and over, it gave me goose bumps...........never had I heard anything like this. Over the years I would take it out and play it for people and it freaked them out, totally. So the same day I researched the street light thing, I looked up 'Spirit voices', and found out what EVP's were. I checked out various paranormal sites, listening to their EVP examples. I decided to try it out for myself, but the only equipment I had was my grandson's Fisher Price kiddie tape recorder, and a fresh blank tape. So I proceeded to ask the basic questions, 'is there anyone present here, what is your name, how long have you been here', etc Upon replay I was shocked and suprised to hear a young lady say to me "My name is Sarah, and Stanley is here too"...............I was blown away! I was the only person home ,there was no TV or radio, no computer on, nothing. And of course it wasn't like I was picking up random sound waves, a tape recorder is not a receiever so it wasn't possible that was what happened.

From that day on, I recorded regularly, and what makes me stand out from most folks who do EVP work is that I don't just pick up the occasional word or phrase, I am able to hear entire dialogs being spoken. When I go to record, I always inform the spirits around me that I am able to hear everything they say, they are so use to talking and thinking that no one can hear them. I have been cussed out by some spirits that did not want to be 'discovered', and that happened because this man was talking terribly about me, making fun of me, and that was when I decided to let them know I was able to hear what they were saying. For the longest time I searched the internet, looking for someone who could hear like I did. I felt like such a freak at times. But when I finally felt validated was when I was able to research a name or place and find a 'hard record', whether it be from death records, or going to a cemetary where I was told by a spirit where they were buried, or speaking to a deceased's family member and them verifying what I heard was indeed true. I am able to hear in 'layers', that is, when there is more than one spirit speaking at a time. A couple of years ago CNYGH had recorded this bizzare EVP, which they called "The Most Horrific EVP", which was captured at an old hotel in upstate New York, and they asked if anyone out there could decipher it for them, because of of the strange nature of of it. It was unlike any other EVP I had ever heard. Although the clip I deciphered was only 10 minutes long, it took me 16 hours to properly translate it( not all at one time!!) Names and locations were able to be verified, and from that day forward, Stacey Jones, the founder will send me EVP's that are hard to understand or hear, and the info I give is valid. I was introduced to Debby Constantino from Spirits-Speak by Stacey, and found we both hear EVP's the same way!! It was amazing to find someone that had the same experiences that I had. The last few years I have worked on missing person's, now deceased, with the local authorities where that person is from. The only draw back from doing this, once you hand over what you have heard, rarely do they let you know what you have told them is spot on, as most police departments and private investigators don't want to look foolish using 'psychic's' (I am not psychic!) I was involved in providing info the retired police detectives that are still working on the "Smiley Faced Killer". There was a time when I asked the private investigator who was working on a case from NC, if there was anything that I had told him was helpful, and his only reply was "Well, I am still using you, aren't I? And on that same case, I asked the detective had they done anything with the T-shirt material forensically that I was told they had found,...........you could have heard a pin drop! His reply to that was yes,they were working on it.

Another valiation for me was a very personal experience while doing EVP work had to do with an old friend of mine. We met at work whileIi was in my 20's, and we became great friends. But as life evolves, she went towork at another place, got married and moved away, but we still kept in touch by phone and our annual Christmas cards. One summer day she called me, and told me she had been diagnosed with breast cancer, and she had chosen to try alternative treatment in Mexico as opposed to chemotherapy or radiation. We both led busy lives, she had just had a new grand baby born, and at Christmas in 07, I hadn't gotten my annual card from her, but I didn't think anything was wrong, because surely she would have called me if something bad was going on, or so I thought. In January 08, I was listening to an EVP session I had downloaded, and I hear this woman ask, "Do you know Caroline Moceri? She has breast cancer, she just died". I about fell out of my chair when I heard this............so what I did was look at the local newspaper obituary archives, going back almost a year, and then suddenly I found it..........she had died in October 2007. Here an unknown spirit told me my friend had died. If that isn't proof, I don't know what it would be.

So that is my take on the validity of EVP in what ever situation it is recorded in or at. No matter where a living person can be, a spirit can exist there also, they are everywhere, not just at 'haunted' locations. I once asked during an EVP session "How many of there of you out there?" The reply was "There are millions of us". Short and simply put.

Lisa

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Permalink Reply by badboy on January 31, 2010 at 11:47am

Lisa I understand where you are coming from completely. I have always been able to talk to spirits. I can't remember when It first started. I just know that I was young. I can hear spirit6s without recording them. And I know that they are all around us. But how can you prove it to anyone without an energy spike.
That Is why I said on a EVP you can clearly hear what is being said and they Is an energy spike to back it up. There Is no way to prove any kind of a Paranormal activity with out an energy spike at the same time to back It up. The Klinge Brothers are very good with EVPs but they use an audio enhancement program sometimes.To me If I can't understand what Is being said then it Is just noise. and without an energy spike to back It up it could be anything.
I am a skeptic in some sense of the word. I may believe It myself but If I am trying to sell It to the public then I need proof. I need something to back up what I am saying. On a lot of shows they try and sell the public .on a lot of thing without anything to back it up. Just on the say so of someone that is suppose to be an psychic. On Ghost Lab we need proof to say that anything is paranormal. I think that is the biggest different between us and other shows.Yes we do get overly excited when we can find this proof to back something up.
I have walked into places and heard voice. Spirits telling my things. Even pin pointing me to things that I never knew about. and events that taken place in the house. But when we checked the EVP and the energy meters there was nothing.. No way to prove this to anyone except for my word. I do not expect the public to believe the word of someone that they don't know. That Is why we are always looking for proof. and the energy spike along with an viedo or an EVP is one way to prove something.. So yes I do believe that there are spirts all around us and yes some hear them and even talk to them. But without any kind of proof to back it up then who is going to believe you.

Bill

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Permalink Reply by SpiderMeema on February 1, 2010 at 5:53am

badboy said:

Lisa I understand where you are coming from completely. I have always been able to talk to spirits. I can't remember when It first started. I just know that I was young. I can hear spirit6s without recording them. And I know that they are all around us. But how can you prove it to anyone without an energy spike.
That Is why I said on a EVP you can clearly hear what is being said and they Is an energy spike to back it up. There Is no way to prove any kind of a Paranormal activity with out an energy spike at the same time to back It up. The Klinge Brothers are very good with EVPs but they use an audio enhancement program sometimes.To me If I can't understand what Is being said then it Is just noise. and without an energy spike to back It up it could be anything.
I am a skeptic in some sense of the word. I may believe It myself but If I am trying to sell It to the public then I need proof. I need something to back up what I am saying. On a lot of shows they try and sell the public .on a lot of thing without anything to back it up. Just on the say so of someone that is suppose to be an psychic. On Ghost Lab we need proof to say that anything is paranormal. I think that is the biggest different between us and other shows.Yes we do get overly excited when we can find this proof to back something up.
I have walked into places and heard voice. Spirits telling my things. Even pin pointing me to things that I never knew about. and events that taken place in the house. But when we checked the EVP and the energy meters there was nothing.. No way to prove this to anyone except for my word. I do not expect the public to believe the word of someone that they don't know. That Is why we are always looking for proof. and the energy spike along with an viedo or an EVP is one way to prove something.. So yes I do believe that there are spirts all around us and yes some hear them and even talk to them. But without any kind of proof to back it up then who is going to believe you.

Bill

Bill~~~~!

Here is my take on this 'scientific proof'....................

If one was to think back how our forefathers delt with the spirit world, how would one justify their perception of spirit activity when there was no such thing as electrical proof, as it hadn't even existed at that point, yet there were numerous reports of such activity? Many cultures had revered leaders, high priests, shamans, etc that were definitely connected to the spirit world, and reported many paranormal experiences with out the the high tech instruments that paranormal investigators rely on for proof today. How does one explain that? I highly doubt that they were all hoodwinking the masses.......what they reported to their people was basic interactions, sans 'scientific proof'. How did so many stories and reports passed down to each generation were made believable? I am sure there were a few that hyped it up, just for the the notoriety they receieved, but overall I think folks were honest about their experiences. One of my theories is if you were to ask joe public had they ever experienced any type of 'ghost activity', most would be able to tell of some incident that could not be explained away, yet most folks kept it to themselves for fear of being called crazy or a liar. The current mantra, 'if it was a personal experience, it doesn't count as being valid' is just so wrong! Had we not had these personal experiences, no one would have went on to research what they had happen to them. That is why most of us in this fiield went on to try and figure out what they had experienced. We all cannot be that delusional.................that is why I refuse to just blow off what has happened personally to me, it is what it is. I use a pendulum when doing an investigation, using the yes and no format for answers, in a matter of speaking that is my form of a 'spike'. I had an experience that was caught on film, the answer to a question created such velocity while the pendulum was 'answering', had I let it go, it surely would have crashed into the wall across the room, it was that intense of a session. I also was recording for EVP's while doing this,and the answers I got on the recorder, correlated with my questions.

I think this current trend that anything found has to be proven scientifically is just that, a trend. We need to get back to basic's and try to further understand how our forefathers came up with their theories and why this history is still so important in trying to understand the paranormal today. I realize that unfortunately most folks that view all these paranormal programs want answers, but it has been turned into a not real scientific study, it is merely entertainment for the uneducated masses.

So far, I am most impressed by the Klinge brothers, what they are trying to do is raise awareness, but underneath it all is that entertainment factor that can't be denied. The shows format is the best by far, and more down to earth than the others, but only time will tell if people out there will eventually "get it".

Lisa

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Permalink Reply by SpiderMeema on February 1, 2010 at 5:58am

oh and by the way, please excuse spelling errors and grammatical errors...........I don't know how to edit, but I hope it is still understandable enough

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Permalink Reply by badboy on February 2, 2010 at 1:44pm

I understand what you are talking about and I agree with you on the most part. Hell I have had things happen to me that I know was paranormal and some so strange that i couldn't ask anyone to believe me. Hell some i don't even believe myself and it happened to me.
All I was trying to say in today's world everyone wants proof. Like you said you doubt if people was hoodwinking you. But bottom line you have no way of telling if they were or not.That is why on the show we try and offer up some proof to back things up. A lot of things happen that can't be backed up so on the most part we keep them out of the show.
I have always told people that they need to use what they feel to judge if something is paranormal or not. If you have a picture or something or even a orb and you really feel that its real then I say it is. Your own mind is the best piece of equipment that anyone has. But then again you have to try and convince other that its real and without any thing to back It up that's a hard job sometimes. Most of the time i can look at someone and tell If they are making It up or not and you can usualy tell when someone post a story on here. You can get a feeling for the worlds and how they come across with the story.I wish we did know more about the paranormal but we don't. Only with the modern equipment of today that we can get a better insight into how things work and why.

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Permalink Reply by SpiderMeema on February 3, 2010 at 5:43am

Hey Bill~~

Either way this is looked at is all right with me! Some folks need that scientific approach to justify the reality part of things. where as folks like me rely strictly on that 'gut instinct' mode when it comes to the paranormal. Either way is great, as long as it can get the message out there about the spirit world's paralell existence with ours. If it inspires just one person, giving them the confidence about what they have experienced, and not feel that they are crazy or delusional. how ever it comes about is well worth the effort made in presentation. I know for myself the joy I feel when I can help another person find that 'puzzle fit' is priceless in my estimation.

I am glad that the Klinge brothers do what they do, and how they do it. It is more realistic (although I know those producers try to push a certain feel to depiction for entertainemnt purposes), the bottom line is that the brothers are 100% real about what they do, and I hope they can continue to do well with their program. What I find amazing is not only are people being entertained, they are truly learnng something whether they know it or not! So good for all those that bring something to the table there at GL.

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Permalink Reply by badboy on February 4, 2010 at 10:56am

It looks like we are paddeling up the same river But just in different canoes. It does seem that more people are talking about the paranormal these days. People are not afraid of being called strange or crazy. I think thet the younger people of today Is getting more Into the paranormal. They don't accept life as black or white, You live and die and thats It. They believe as I do that there has to be more. There Is a huge gray area out there that we know little or nothing about.
As long as shows treat spirits as a living being and not just something to scare people with I believe we are on the right road to learning more about the paranormal. Although I always like to have some kind of proof there has been many cases that I know is paranormal and nothing to back it up.I just need that feeling when you encounter a spirit to prove to myself that its real But when you are doing a TV show Its best that you do have some kind of proof. So many shows have faked so much that makes it hard for the people to believe anything.. Maybe that Is why we never got the ratings that other shows do. We do try and keep It real and a learning experience. Real Is not always the most exciting way to go. The producers do try and shove fake junk in the show but the Klinge Brothers says no and they have the finel say so about the show. That's the problem that they are facing now. Maybe we won't get a new contract but we can say that we keep It real.

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